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 Post subject: Naslite on a Neoware Eon
PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:28 pm 
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Looking for a quick project, here is one for you!

A client gave me four Neoware Eon thin clients they were dumping so I decided to use one of them and make a portable server for my bag. Before this I used to carry a usb drive with Naslite hdd on it, but this is better because I don’t have to use my laptop or another computer to boot it. Plus it has a built in power supply so I don have to lug the brick that came with the usb drive.

So, the idea here is to take the ide flash disk that is in the Eon and replace it with a bootable hard drive that has Naslite 2 on it. Not a problem, split a ribbon cable to make it more flexible and cut out a couple of connectors from an old power supply to get power for the ide drive. Then, install Naslite 2 on the hard drive using another box with a cdrom in it. The trickiest part is mounting the drive in the Neoware so it’s good and clear of the existing electronics. After a cold one and some heavy brain activity a possible solution revealed itself. A single 1/8 inch hole and a case screw was all that had to happen and I was off to configuring my shiny new small footprint portable Naslite 2 server.

There are two usb ports on the back that can be used for more storage if need be, but those are 1.1 and will be pretty slow. Even so, they are there if needed.

Using it is kind of neat. It’s built like a tank so daily abuse should be no problem. There are no fans inside so it’s important that it’s placed standing up on it's side when in service. Cooling seems to be fine that way according to the drive temp of about 43C. The thing is totally silent other than the drive spinning.

Total cost for the hardware was nothing at all. The 120G drive came out of my junk pile and the Neoware was free. It’s not a rocket and will not beat a more capable box, but it’s small and very handy when I need accessible network storage on site for disk imaging and other things like that. I think I’ll be making 3 more of these in the coming weeks. I wonder if the Neoware bios can boot a 500 gigger.

If you are looking to make yourself one, it’s a Neoware Eon and the sticky on the side says BA-EON5000T-4-6. Don't know how important that is, but there are a bunch of different models out there. I’ve been eying the Netgear boxes that Ray posted on here sometime ago, and just so it happens, this ended up pretty much the same thing. Ebay has a load of these for like $20 a pop, so they aren’t hard to come by.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:27 am 
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i can confirm that it does boot a 500g ide drive no problem. One of the neowares running m2 ended up in a customer's coffeeshop. I disabled everything but daap so people can't download the files. Now his visitors can use his music collection wireless with their laptops while hanging about drinking his mocha. Yesterday he called to say that he's been getting many comments on the new service. Not bad for a throwaway.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:30 am 
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I like it. You did a good job. I bet a 1 TB drive would work too. Like in the old Netgear ND508 a big hard drive works in it. NASlite don't use the BIOS for what size the drive is.

If you are going to do the others you should get a WD green type drive. a 1 TB would be good. You can get them now for about $80 with free shipping. Look on the net for them.

I think that would be a good drive in your system there because it don't get hot or take a lot of power.

Thanks for posting the photos of it. Neat little box. Looks like a nice one to have NASlite on.

-Raymond Day


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:47 pm 
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the eon supports ide only so that rules out the large drives you can get today. Maybe with a sata to ide adapter on the drive but i haven't tried that. i am using a 500g hitachi set to lowest possible spindle speed using the acoustic setting in the drive bios. the spinup is slow when powered on and the drive runs slow and cool. More than enough for a daap server. Total draw for the entire unit is roughly about 10W so it fits the bill nicely. I think i'll try and spin the drive down using the bios and turn off the status updates. they are not visible anyway with all the other services off. I bet when it goes to sleep total draw will be about 2W if that.

I'll post back if that works as i think it should.

Below is a syslog of the hardware details if anyone is interested. This is the server that I cary in my bag so it just has the 120g drive in it.

    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [3] klogd started: BusyBox v1.01 (2008.07.26-02:54+0000)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] Linux version 2.4.36.NASLite (root@tzt) (gcc version 3.4.6) #2 Wed Jul 16 21:48:01 EDT 2008
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009fc00 (usable)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] BIOS-e820: 00000000000f0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 0000000007c00000 (usable)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] BIOS-e820: 00000000ffff0000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [3] 0MB HIGHMEM available.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [3] 124MB LOWMEM available.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] On node 0 totalpages: 31744
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] zone(0): 4096 pages.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] zone(1): 27648 pages.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] zone(2): 0 pages.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [5] ACPI: Unable to locate RSDP
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] Kernel command line: rw root=/dev/ram0 initrd=NASLite.02 quiet BOOT_IMAGE=NASLite.01
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] No local APIC present or hardware disabled
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Initializing CPU#0
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Working around Cyrix MediaGX virtual DMA bugs.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] Detected 300.683 MHz processor.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] Calibrating delay loop. 599.65 BogoMIPS
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Memory: 117120k/126976k available (2325k kernel code, 9468k reserved, 680k data, 556k init, 0k highmem)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode. Ok.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Dentry cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Inode cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Mount cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Buffer cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 2, 16384 bytes)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] Page-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Working around Cyrix MediaGX virtual DMA bugs.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [1] CPU: After generic, caps: 00808131 00818131 00000000 00000001
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [1] CPU: Common caps: 00808131 00818131 00000000 00000001
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] CPU: NSC Geode(TM) Integrated Processor by National Semi stepping 02
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Checking 'hlt' instruction. OK.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] mtrr: v1.40 (20010327) Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] mtrr: detected mtrr type: none
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040326
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] ACPI: Interpreter disabled.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfb1e0, last bus=0
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] PCI: Using configuration type 1
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] PCI: Probing PCI hardware
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] PCI: Using IRQ router NatSemi [1078/0100] at 00:12.0
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] Initializing RT netlink socket
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] Starting kswapd
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Journalled Block Device driver loaded
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] devfs: v1.12c (20020818) Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] devfs: boot_options: 0x1
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Installing knfsd (copyright (C) 1996 okir@monad.swb.de).
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Real Time Clock Driver v1.10f
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] FDC 0 is a National Semiconductor PC87306
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 16384K size 1024 blocksize
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] loop: loaded (max 8 devices)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Driver - version 7.3.20-k4
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Copyright (c) 1999-2006 Intel Corporation.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] dgrs: SW=$Id: dgrs.c,v 1.13 2000/06/06 04:07:00 rick Exp $ FW=Build 550 11/16/96 03:45:15
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] FW Version=$Version$
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] pcnet32.c:v1.30h 06.24.2004 tsbogend@alpha.franken.de
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] ThunderLAN driver v1.15
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] TLAN: 0 devices installed, PCI: 0 EISA: 0
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] dmfe: Davicom DM9xxx net driver, version 1.36.4 (2002-01-17)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] ns83820.c: National Semiconductor DP83820 10/100/1000 driver.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] sk98lin: No adapter found.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] forcedeth.c: Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver. Version 0.50.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] 8139cp: 10/100 PCI Ethernet driver v1.2 (Mar 22, 2004)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [5] 8139cp: pci dev 00:0f.0 (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [5] 8139cp: Try the "8139too" driver instead.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] 8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.26
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] PCI: Assigned IRQ 11 for device 00:0f.0
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xc8800000, 00:e0:c5:68:f5:2b, IRQ 11
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [1] eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8139C'
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00beta4-2.4
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] CS5530: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:12.2
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] CS5530: chipset revision 0
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] CS5530: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [1] PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:12.0 to 64
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] ide0: BM-DMA at 0xf000-0xf007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] -DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] hda: ST3120026A, ATA DISK drive
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [1] hda: cs5530_set_xfer_mode(UDMA 2)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] hda: attached ide-disk driver.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] hda: host protected area => 1
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] hda: 234441648 sectors (120034 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=14593/255/63, UDMA(33)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Partition check:
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Loading Adaptec I2O RAID: Version 2.4 Build 5
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Detecting Adaptec I2O RAID controllers.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Red Hat/Adaptec aacraid driver (1.1-3 Jul 16 2008 21:50:42)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] scsi: Detection failed (no card)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [3] megaraid: v2.10.10.1 (Release Date: Thu Jan 27 16:19:44 EDT 2005)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] GDT-HA: Storage RAID Controller Driver. Version: 3.04
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] GDT-HA: Found 0 PCI Storage RAID Controllers
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] scsi1 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] 3ware Storage Controller device driver for Linux v1.02.00.037.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] 3w-xxxx: No cards found.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [1] libata version 1.20 loaded.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] raw1394: /dev/raw1394 device initialized
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] sbp2: $Rev: 1074 $ Ben Collins
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [5] ieee1394: sbp2: Driver forced to serialize I/O (serialize_io = 1)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] usb.c: registered new driver hub
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] host/uhci.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v1.1
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] PCI: Assigned IRQ 15 for device 00:13.0
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] host/usb-ohci.c: USB OHCI at membase 0xc8804000, IRQ 15
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] host/usb-ohci.c: usb-00:13.0, PCI device 0e11:a0f8
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] hub.c: USB hub found
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] hub.c: 2 ports detected
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] usb.c: registered new driver usbkbd
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] usbkbd.c: :USB HID Boot Protocol keyboard driver
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Initializing USB Mass Storage driver.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] USB Mass Storage support registered.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] IP: routing cache hash table of 512 buckets, 4Kbytes
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] TCP: Hash tables configured (established 8192 bind 16384)
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0.
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [3] RAMDISK: NASLite file system found at block 0
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] [truncated]
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [4] VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Mounted devfs on /dev
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] Freeing unused kernel memory: 556k freed
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x41E1
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] EXT3 FS 2.4-0.9.19, 19 August 2002 on ide0(3,1), internal journal
    * Apr 16 00:14:29 [2] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:21 pm 
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Made some more changes to make the eon even better suited for the job. In the bios, set things to spin down the drive after half and hour and disabled the stats. The cpu clocks down to 12.5% when not in use, so total power draw when not in use is actually less than a watt. Can't beat that. But then again, it sounds like i'm the only one geeked about these things :P


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:10 pm 
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No, you're not the only one. I just have nothing to add but good work man. It is stored in the back of my mind should the need arise.

By the way, how is the performance?

Mike


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:22 pm 
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Your typical rtl slug. 4M on the up and 6M on the down so not a hotrod by any means.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:30 am 
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interesting project which i am thinking of replicating [thanks for the info] - am watching a few on ebay - am in the UK so not quite as many and a bit more expensive different models but all look similar

there are others badged HP and Compaq - i think Neoware is now HP - does anybody know if they are all similar and will work

a couple of questions

1. do you know if it will work with WOL and remote shutdown as 'georg's' script - i would not want it on 24/7 if possible

2. you mention spinning the drive down to reduce power usage - that you say is in bios - what happens when you access the system - does the drive just kick back in - all new to me - also you say tou have reduced the drive speed to its minimum in the drives bios - is that something on all drives or just a make you have used

was wondering about a 2.5 drive - dont need lots of gigs - just as a dump system for files moving around various computers that are not always on


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:13 am 
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The one that i used was an older Neoware Eon with the power supply built in. Newer ones have an external power brick and are not large enough for a full size HD inside. Donno if it will do wol but it may. Not necessary tho since spinning the drive down seems to work just fine. The HD spins up when a file from it is hit. Not all drives have configurable bios options but I assume most do. I know Hitachi does and that's what I use for jobs where low performance is ok. Most neoware come with an ide dom. Mine had 128M doms in them. A single pci slot can be used for a sata or fw card for more external drives but that kind of defeats the purpose. I just wanted a self contained server that can be bounced around in my truck daily. Like I said, the netgear that Ray was talking about was what got me started thinking about this. I think the neoware is actually smaller than the netgear. All i can say is it does the job just fine. I wish it was lighter tho. It is very heavy for it's size.

Here is someones page with some info on the eon http://www.enicomms.com/neostation3k/

manual is at the bottom.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:15 am 
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many thanks - am looking at a few - the newer one sort of defeat the object on price - thats good info about the power supply - will look for one with an internal one - i have read that the memory can be a bit special - again will look

thanks for the manual link - very useful

additional question

when you say the newer ones are not large enough with the external power supply - do you mean the power supply is not large enough [has enough power] or the box is physically not big enough to get a hard drive in - have seen a picture of a newer one and it has a very large heat sink on the cpu unlike the one you posted pictures of


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:46 pm 
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The new ones seem to be too slim and don't seem to have room for a 3.5" HD inside. That and they probably draw more power since they are faster. The big chunk of aluminum on top of the cpu should be a clue of what you don't want. :wink:


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thanks again - will stay clear of the large chunk of aluminium :D - getting info on the internals of different models is the hard bit as manuals are thin on the ground and ebay sellers just post an external shot usually

have 2 different ones i am looking at - one i have full info on - the other hopefully will get some on


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tony a wrote:
thanks again - will stay clear of the large chunk of aluminium :D - getting info on the internals of different models is the hard bit as manuals are thin on the ground and ebay sellers just post an external shot usually

have 2 different ones i am looking at - one i have full info on - the other hopefully will get some on


Any progress? I have all four of mine out and about. 2 are set as mirrors at clients, one is at a cafe as daap server and the fourth is in my bag.


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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 11:19 am 
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hi - got one this morning - am playing as i type this - its a 3000 model - looks just the same as your photos

am having problems with memory at the moment - it came with 32meg on a sodimm - i have loads of 'desktop' memory so thought to add one of those

thats the problem - whatever i add shows as half - info is hard to find but i think they take 256 - if i add that it shows as 128

the sodimm seems to show correctly - so am a bit puzzled - thinking it might be faulty - dont know

that apart from a quick play this morning am impressed - just does what you described


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Dimension: just stumbled on this post. Good work dude. This gives me ideas. My biz partner has a coffee shop/arcade/deli that I've been asked to come up with a good cheap solution for music. I am thinking about getting one of these to use as a server and setting up another cheap system as a client for piped music and adding a wireless router for laptop enabled customers. How many users will this setup allow before it gets sluggish?


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