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 Post subject: I Love Naslite-2 !!!
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:27 pm 
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Today I almost had my ass handed to me by a client, but thanks to Naslite 2 and it’s absolutely kick-ass daily mirror option, I walked out of their office with a smile and fully compensated. :shock:

On my advice, these guys elected to use Naslite as their primary server since it was a good fit for their operation. Soon after I set the primary server up, about a month back, I also installed a secondary Naslite 2 server that would act as a backup to the primary Naslite 2. Each server hosts 2 500G SATA drives that get mirrored nightly so all the data on the primary server is backed up on the secondary.

Well, early this morning I got a call from my client with a complaint that the server beeping and is very slow. It can’t be slow I thought, so I scheduled a visit within an hour. On arrival, I checked the syslog and to my surprise, disk-0 on the primary had generated 3500+ lines of syslog entries within the last 4 hours. Smart had also failed. These are new drives darn it, less than 2 months old. Needless to say, everyone in the office was pretty agitated and I did receive my share of potshots of nervous sarcasm.

Here is the beautiful part. 5 minutes after my arrival I announced that disk-0 is going bad and data on it is probably going bad with the drive. Then I proceeded to move disk-0 from the secondary to Disk-0 on the primary and vise versa. Normally the backup server does not share the drives so I had to share them as read only via SMB/CIFS and disable smart. 10 minutes after my arrival I announced that everyone could get back to work and get files worked on in the morning from the secondary server and move them back to the primary.

Talking about relief man. People lightened up and my name was no longer Mud. I stepped out to get a replacement 500G drive. Upon my return everyone seemed to have their blood pressure back to normal and their stuff off of the secondary so I replaced the bad drive and reset the mirror. I’ll call tomorrow and have them verify the mirror ran successfully.

I’m going to start installing trays in the servers so I can talk people through the process on the phone. Shut the servers down, switch the drives and turn the servers back on. That will keep downtime and loss of data to a minimum. It will also buy me some time so I don’t have to be on location at the drop of a hat.

All that good stuff from an itty bitty OS that costs little and absolutely kick ass. :D


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:29 pm 
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rsync saves the day

how about a little extra donation to the boys and girls at Server Elements 8)


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:51 pm 
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Now imagine if you were running RAID1.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:08 pm 
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fordem wrote:
Now imagine if you were running RAID1.


Yeah, except without the cost or the rebuild time ;-)


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:28 pm 
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After thinking about this some more, here are my conclusions. Having 2 servers is good. If one of the boxes goes dead completely, the other one will be available to users. I think that sharing the backup server drives as RW will allow access to a copy of all files without danger of overwriting them.

That way if the main server dies completely, people have access to the files. Worst case scenario is some work from today may be lost. Granted RAID will resolve that problem, but it will not provide a vehicle to recover a file in the event one is overwritten. In this particular office, people work directly off of the Naslite server and use existing documents to change into new ones. Often instead of "Save As" people hit "Save" and loose the original. Recovery is then possible by fetching it from the backup drive. RAID will not provide for that. I consider the two server approach a good compromise between RAID and a backup.

I'm open to any ideas for improvement or a best practice so please post. :)


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It actually depends on the client's needs - in some cases the minimal downtime you describe could have had a financial impact - however RAID1 is not a substitute for backup, which is essentially what you are doing.

The chance of a drive failure is a lot greater than that of the server itself, which is why you are more likely to find RAIDed drives coupled with removable media backup in business environments.


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fordem wrote:
It actually depends on the client's needs - in some cases the minimal downtime you describe could have had a financial impact - however RAID1 is not a substitute for backup, which is essentially what you are doing.

The chance of a drive failure is a lot greater than that of the server itself, which is why you are more likely to find RAIDed drives coupled with removable media backup in business environments.


There really isn't much of an augment to be had against RAID. Ultimately, that's the answer to drive redundancy. 8)


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:37 pm 
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dimension wrote:
After thinking about this some more, here are my conclusions. Having 2 servers is good. If one of the boxes goes dead completely, the other one will be available to users. I think that sharing the backup server drives as RW will allow access to a copy of all files without danger of overwriting them.

That way if the main server dies completely, people have access to the files. Worst case scenario is some work from today may be lost. Granted RAID will resolve that problem, but it will not provide a vehicle to recover a file in the event one is overwritten. In this particular office, people work directly off of the Naslite server and use existing documents to change into new ones. Often instead of "Save As" people hit "Save" and loose the original. Recovery is then possible by fetching it from the backup drive. RAID will not provide for that. I consider the two server approach a good compromise between RAID and a backup.

I'm open to any ideas for improvement or a best practice so please post. :)


Very good story. Thank you.

A suggestion for even better protection? Keep that backup server (nothing can beat swapping drives for quick restoration)...but rsync that backup server to Amazon S3. Speed + the safety of offsite backup.


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 Post subject: A footnote
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:45 pm 
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artdoyle wrote:
dimension wrote:
After thinking about this some more, here are my conclusions. Having 2 servers is good. If one of the boxes goes dead completely, the other one will be available to users. I think that sharing the backup server drives as RW will allow access to a copy of all files without danger of overwriting them.

That way if the main server dies completely, people have access to the files. Worst case scenario is some work from today may be lost. Granted RAID will resolve that problem, but it will not provide a vehicle to recover a file in the event one is overwritten. In this particular office, people work directly off of the Naslite server and use existing documents to change into new ones. Often instead of "Save As" people hit "Save" and loose the original. Recovery is then possible by fetching it from the backup drive. RAID will not provide for that. I consider the two server approach a good compromise between RAID and a backup.

I'm open to any ideas for improvement or a best practice so please post. :)


Very good story. Thank you.

A suggestion for even better protection? Keep that backup server (nothing can beat swapping drives for quick restoration)...but rsync that backup server to Amazon S3. Speed + the safety of offsite backup.



We own a secured RAID server from another company (damn slow vs NASLite) and currently backup critical folders to Amazon S3 using this product: http://www.jungledisk.com/

If Naslite contained an internal S3 backup capability - I would be sorely tempted to "retire" our beast. I would then regain our security delusions by purchasing disks containing hardware encryption :)


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