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 Post subject: Re: purpose of daap
PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:08 pm 
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NickC wrote:
when you advocate the use of a proprietary codec with very limited support


O, here you are wrong. There used to be little support for the .wma format/codec. Now there are tons of players, some even allowing lossless.
HTH....


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 Post subject: Re: purpose of daap
PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:34 pm 
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So, name me all of the players that support WMA lossless (fully)....

It'll be a pretty short list.


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 Post subject: Re: purpose of daap
PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:21 pm 
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Sony Walkman
Sandisk Sansa
Nokia Phones
Blackberry
Coby players
Pro Ebiz
Creative Zen & other players
uTronix
Philips GoGear
Sony Ericson Phones (and many other brands)
Zune
Sylvania 1GB Sport Style MP3 Player
Sirius Stiletto 2 satellite radio receiver
Philips SA1929/37 2 GB Flash Audio MP3 Player
Ematic 2GB Color MP3 Video Player
Soundfly SD WMA/MP3 Player
Dual XHD6425 4X50 Watt Bluetooth-Ready HD Radio and MP3 Player

Just a list of five minutes lightly digging into Amazon

Every modern digital music player supports wma. Just iPods, iPhones don't.
And I did not state that every player supports lossless. My cheap Sansa does.


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 Post subject: Re: purpose of daap
PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:31 pm 
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That's not the list I requested.


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 Post subject: Re: purpose of daap
PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:42 pm 
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That's all you get.
BTW I am trying to check in online on a Lufthansa flight from Amsterdam to NY, but it doesn't seem to work. Any clues?


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 Post subject: Re: purpose of daap
PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:47 pm 
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Sorry, I've never used Lufthansa's online check-in service.

All that I am getting at is that WMA-lossless is not that widely supported and there are other, better supported, open source, lossless codecs out there.

I accept that WMA lossy is widespread.

Have a good flight.


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 Post subject: Re: purpose of daap
PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:23 pm 
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Here we get into allot of differing opinions as to lossless.

First off, lets all agree that when we are talking about digital files we are already working with a loss based storage medium. Shut up about Nyquist numbers and the like. You are wrong if you think that it sounds the same as an analog recording. I have had access to the analog masters of recordings by Grammy winning engineers on top shelf analog mastering decks and the resultant digital output from the A to D converters and though good, they are not that good. This applies at 24Bit/96Ks/sec.
Second, we must also agree that the internal D to A converter sections of a computer sound card are far from "Audiophile" quality regardless of what the maker tells us. The computer is a very noisy environment and fought with required compromise when it comes to both the digital and the audio chains.
Third, the difference between an original PCM file, a FLAC file, an OGG file, a WMA file and an MP3 file at the highest bit rates of encoding and quality are going to be next to impossible to discern. This I know for a fact. This is not up for argument. I have been there. I have done that. It boils down to preference, and desired amount of storage one wishes to dedicate to ones music files.

We could get into all the technical details that make and effect the subjective quality of the reproduced sound from the very start of the chain to the very drivers one uses to reproduce the final result. The fact is this, nothing is perfect and if you are happy with it then keep doing it that way.

By the way, LAME is an OK encoder but is no where near the flexibility and quality of the Fraunhofer offering that Nero offered.

Mike


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 Post subject: Re: purpose of daap
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:22 am 
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First off, did you double blind test (ABX) level matched time synchronised samples? (btw, the Nyquist frequency for 96kHz is 48kHz - so far above the limits of human hearing that all relevant frequencies are captured);

Secondly, similar question regarding adequately prepared ABX testing of D to A converters;

Thirdly, 320kbit/s MP3 has been successfully ABXed. There is no difference between the PCM file and the FLAC file - lossless is lossless. MP3, OGG and WMA are all lossy so there will be some difference.

Lastly, here is a link to a public listening test conducted at hydrogenaudio.org - link.


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 Post subject: Re: purpose of daap
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:45 am 
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Hi

Would anybody mind if I come back to my original topic which is "purpose of daap"? :)

So far I've learned that at least while using iTunes there is no really advantage of the daap of NL-M2.
Nevertheless, it seems that the daap-playlists are read-only for iTunes. This could be advantageous when I start thinking about the "destructive urge" of little children :D

The only thing I'd need now is a little tool that I can use to modify these (intelligent) playlists from my PC. The rest of the family could then use them within iTunes without any risk of accidently modifying or deleting them.

I'd prefer a tiny solution for this. Not such a big tool like Mediamonkey or songbird or whatever... (don't know if it works with them, I'm just talking about their size) ...

Any ideas?
:?:


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 Post subject: Re: purpose of daap
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:25 pm 
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DAAP is a protocol not unlike HTTP, etc. Exporting your music via DAAP will allow DAAP clients to play it without the need to mount the NAS drives. Alternately, you can mount the NAS drive and allow the client to play the music via a networked drive.

Makes sense?


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 Post subject: Re: purpose of daap
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:32 pm 
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What would be the "disadvantage" of mounting the drives ? Which brings me to a related question: is there a way in WinXP (or other clients) to specify "-noatime" for the NAS disk that's being mounted ?


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 Post subject: Re: purpose of daap
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:59 pm 
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DAAPD real simple, you export your iTunes music in readonly to other clients. If it's only you using the music from a pc, there's no need for it.


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 Post subject: Re: purpose of daap
PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:28 am 
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does anybody know a windows-client that I can use to modify the daapd playlists?


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 Post subject: Re: purpose of daap
PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:41 pm 
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Notepad. Just open and edit. Syntax is pretty simple, you'll get the ideas after you see the content.


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